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cuhrich
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re us can membership #'s

Good to know! great to here something positive about AA membership.

Anonymous
Without God it won't work.

You saw "because without God it won't work. But it wasn't
written there. It is not written there for two reasons.
One, it is simply not true. Two, we do not want to push
anyone away from what may be their final chance at this
new life. The reading of "How It Works" at the beginning
of A.A. meetings, along with the preamble, is one of the
worst mistakes we have made at the group level in the
past three decades. You may say that is just my opinion.
But an opinion is a belief or judgement based on grounds
insufficient to prove complete certainty. The truth is
that most active alcoholics do not respond well to the
religious approach. No, I haven't done the survey. I just
look at the lack of effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous
since we started reading How It Works at meetings. Again
with the numbers. We pay to have these membership numbers
developed on a regular basis. Because the numbers do not
tell us what we want to hear, we ignore them or come up
with all kinds of excuses for our failure. Our blunders
have been listed many times on I-SAY. I hope you will
read them with an open mind and at least consider them.
It is nice to see a new name on the board. ANONYMOUS

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Without God it won't work.

When a horse dies most riders quit beating it. "No, I haven't done the survey. I just look at the lack of effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous since we started reading How It Works at meetings."
"How It Works" was being read at meetings long before you or I got sober. I doubt if there are many members alive today who got sober before meetings opened with it. According to Chuck C.'s "A New Pair of Glasses" (page 12) it was read at the first meeting in Los Angeles.
Perhaps they didn't read it in your little corner of the world. They did in the states and countries I visited in 1972 and '73.
You keep citing GSO statistics to back your claims that AA is stagnating. A few minutes ago I checked the AA web page and saw a four year chart showing steady growth. Where are you getting your info, "GSO Watch" or "Agent Orange"?
Those who are so irritated at the readings and chantings could simply stay outside the meeting room until all the reading is finished and leave before all the chanting begins? That would solve two of their problems, they could start to work on their resentment and they would get the attention they so obviously crave.
Jim S.

Anonymous
Jim S.

Is "A New Pair of Glasses" a conference approved book?
You or another poster have mentioned that book before.
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I believe Chuck C. wrote
that book for his own personal profit. On page 450 in the
third edition of the big book the writer said that It's
as though A.A. has given me a new pair of glasses. He
is talking about seeing his wife Max in a new light. Is
this where Chuck C. found the title for his book? Is
this not using A.A. for personal gain, maybe real cash.
I attended meetings in three states from 1970 to
1980, and How It Works was never read at those meetings.
I went to at least two thousand meetings in that decade.
I remember the first time it was read at my home group.
I tried to prevent it but it was like trying to hold
back the tide. I just felt that it was wrong although
I did not understand why I felt that way. I knew very
little about our history. I eventually accepted the
reading as a vital part of the meeting. I would stand
when I was asked to read it at a meeting. I would read it
loud and clear. My head was in the clouds, actually in
the sand.
When I found out that we had lost half a million
members in the 1990's and our membership had become
stagnant, I began my investigation. I remembered all
the changes I had seen at the group level since 1980.
They came back to memory quickly. I recalled the first
time a member chanted at a meeting. The first time the
chairperson said "we'll go by a show of hands", I
wondered, "why are we doing this". I have learned
other mistakes by listening to others who are concerned.
Today's concept of "sponsor" makes A.A. more than a
little cultish.
Just recently I read of conference advice that we
ought to keep non-conference items separate from A.A.
conference approved material when it is displayed at
A.A. gatherings. In my opinion, we should not have non A.A. material at any A.A. function at all. Any display of outside material is violation of our traditions of non-endorsement. Our leaders need to wake up to what Alcoholics
Anonymous really is. Not a Fellowship, or a TWELVE STEP
PROGRAM. Our preamble tells us that we are a fellowship
of men and women.
When I finally developed an understanding of why Bill
and his friends rejected the 24 hour book, I could understand why reading HIW at meetings aloud from the
podium is so harmful to A.A. newcomers and to A.A. as
a whole. Dr. Silkworth's IDEA must be studied until
its concept is understood. ANONYMOUS

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Re: Reply to comment

"Is "A New Pair of Glasses" a conference approved book?"
No, or is the Grapevine, for that matter.
"Forgive me if I am wrong, but I believe Chuck C. wrote
that book for his own personal profit."
You're forgiven. The book was transcribed from the tapes of talks Chuck gave during a weekend retreat for members of AA.
"On page 450 in the third edition of the big book the writer said that It's as though A.A. has given me a new pair of glasses. He is talking about seeing his wife Max in a new light. Is this where Chuck C. found the title for his book?"
Lee T. wrote the book, not Chuck C.
"I attended meetings in three states from 1970 to
1980, and How It Works was never read at those meetings."
Between July, 1971 and April 1973 I attended AA meetings in Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, California, Hong Kong, Singapore, the Phillipine Islands and a US Navy ship. "How It Works was read at every one of those meetings.
"Just recently I read of conference advice that we ought to keep non-conference items separate from A.A. conference approved material when it is displayed at A.A. gatherings. In my opinion, we should not have non A.A. material at any A.A. function at all. Any display of outside material is violation of our traditions of non-endorsement. Our leaders need to wake up to what Alcoholics."
Since the Grapevine isn't technically Grapevine isn't 'conference approved' should it kept separate also?
"When I found out that we had lost half a million members in the 1990's and our membership had become stagnant, I began my investigation."
According to a chart on the Alcoholics Anonymous web site, AA had 4533 more groups and 59129 more members in 2010 than in 2007. I don't see those numbers as a sign of stagnation.
Jim S.

Anonymous
RE to Comment #67

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"When I found out that we had lost half a million members in the 1990's and our membership had become stagnant, I began my investigation."
According to a chart on the Alcoholics Anonymous web site, AA had 4533 more groups and 59129 more members in 2010 than in 2007. I don't see those numbers as a sign of stagnation."

More groups has nothing to do with more people - maybe more pissed off people who try and start somewhere else.

It is clear that the Big books SOUL message is we are beyond human power and that God could and would if sought as the outside sponsorship system worms it's way diverting people from A.A as if it's their right to do so. Take a closer look at A.a. Without Misinterpretation FROM A OUTSIDE SYSTEM

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A New Pair of Glasses

So the pastor looks up from his coffee, amd says " Chuck, I think God is like a new pair of glasses," or something real close to that, it's been a while.

Anonymous
ADO10416

Jim S. I ask you to put those glasses back on and
take another look at the growth of A.A. from its beginning.
Although the four year span 2007-2010 shows an ever so
slight increase, look at the entire picture. A.A. membership
increased continuously (or is it continually?) for 57 years.
If the number of members is the same as twenty years ago,
I believe that is a sign of stagnation.
I have read a few books that are about A.A. which are
not conference approved literature. ROBERT THOMSEN's book
"Bill W." seems to be in line with the real A.A. literature.
This book was sold by our Headquarters for a period of time,
which I believe offers some credibility. There are other books which I have found informative. I believe that all we
need for our basic fellowship are the Big Book, 12&12, A.A.C.A. Pass it on and Dr. Bob and the Goodoldtimers.
In my opinion these five books ought to be owned and
read by a member's tenth year in the fellowship.
I believe that with the basic information from these
books, we can read other material about our fellowship
with knowledge and an open mind. As you can see from
my previous message, I have never seen "A New Pair of
Glasses" up close. And I am not sure that I care to.
ANONYMOUS

michallint
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a new pair of glasses

I hope you do get a chance to read it. Well worth the effort. BTW Chuck C had passed by the time the book came out. I am glad you are so passionate for aa. Not so sure about your conclusions or my spelling. Lets each work for our part of God's purpose.

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Grapevine is technically

Grapevine is technically conference approved per a Conference Advisory Action from 1986. We publish the wording of that action inside the front cover of every issue.

--Grapevine Editors

Anonymous
RE: Grapevine

Thank you. I am truly surprised that an AA member sober
for four decades did not know that. ANONYMOUS

Anonymous
Beating a Dead Horse

That horse will surely die if we continue to put it
behind the cart. Agent Orange seems to have the opinion
that A.A. should be put to death. At this point I believe
it can be saved. I have seen A.A. at its finest, doubling
in membership about every ten years. I have seen our
effectiveness diminish to practically no growth. I saw the
changes being made and took part in some of them. Our
mistakes are listed here on I-SAY. I say Thanks! ANONYMOUS

Anonymous
Jim S.

Thanks for looking at A.A.'s growth for the past four
years. Are you satisfied that we are doing our best? In
2010 we gained about 15,000 members in the U.S. and Canada.
With two million members is that the best we can do? I
find our growth rate unacceptable. Do you just practice
acceptance? If I stayed out of the room to avoid the
redundant readings and left before the chanting, that
would leave very little time. I have seen the mistakes
we have made at the group level in the past three
decades. I took part in some of them. My area delegate
tells me to keep sounding the alarm (beating the drums
or a dead horse). Maybe someone will eventually listen.
I am grateful to the AAGRAPEVINE and to I-SAY. This
information is avalable to anyone who cares about the
future of Alcoholics Anonymous. You can relax. I
am almost done. My computer is faltering and so
am I. I have posted all my concerns here and in many, many
handwritten letters. As they say in my little corner of the
world, take what you need and leave the rest. ANONYMOUS

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reply about styrofoam cups

I used to drink a lot of coffee out of styrofoam cups at meetings. I used a lot of creamer with it. I usually got myself 2 cups of coffee before the meeting was to start because I drank them so fast and I didn't want to have to get up right away after the meeting started to get more coffee. 2 cups of coffee, an ashtray and a comfy seat was how I liked to begin a meeting. At the moment I'm neither consuming coffee or nicotine but I recently started using styrofoam cups at home. Sitting in my kitchen, I wondered why I felt loved when I drank out of the styrofoam cups. I think all the years of drinking coffee out of styrofoam cups in meetings and feeling the love in the rooms now makes me feel loved wherever I find myself drinking out of styrofoam cups.

Anonymous
Styrofoam cups

It is wonderful that the fellowship of Alcoholics
Anonymous has enabled us to enjoy all those years. We would
have missed out on the joys of life. I remember the love
and concern I felt in the room at my very first A.A.
meeting, the love they had for each other and for me
whom they had never met.
Although I was never a smoker, cleaning the ash trays
was a pleasure. I worked the night shift then, and could
drink a lot of coffee, as I needed to be awake all night.
I had to give up the coffee in recent years. Maybe I will
return to using styrofoam cups also.
It is nice to read something from our generation. There
are so few of us left. anonymous

Anonymous
Easy does it

I also believe that God does work thru people.

Anonymous
Dry Drunk

I have been sober for 23 years this last november. However, About two years ago now the disease of aloholism destroyed my life. I was one of those alcoholics that decided I was cured after so many years sober. I discovered how rhampant the disease is, and how it picks up right where it left off. I didnt lose my family, my marriage, or my job when I hit my bottom in 1988 but I sure the hell lost it all when I hit bottom in November 2010. It was there alive and strong waiting for me. I did not pick up that first drink, but I so wanted to, I wanted to die, but slowly, after returning to AA, I went to 120 mtgs in 90 days, I got a sponser, and I started working the steps. I recently went back to work, in a job that pays 1/4 of what I was making, I live in a one bedroom apartment, and have my 4 year old, 3-4 days a week. I have found my way back to the spiritual side,and learned I am never alone, HP, is always with me, and I attend at least three to four meetings a week, and do service.
Thank god i did not take that first drink, but for those of you out there who come to think awwww its been so long its ok, Think agian.....self centeredness, anger and resentments distroyed my life as I knew it and fed the alcoholism.

Anonymous
RE: Dry Drunk

I heard a guy say once, "if you stop feeding the habit the craving will go away". I believe there are two ways to feed this illness of alcoholism. 1) physically, (by taking a drink) and 2) mentally, ( by obsessing about things like alcohol, resentments, anger, fear, insecurity, finance, friends, sex and so on).
This illness has more than one way to kill us. The alcoholic who still suffers isn't always the new guy who stumbles in off the street, it can be the one with 1, 2, 5, 15, 20, 35 years! I really appreciated your sharing and thank God you made it back! This thing can work for you again as it has before!

Ray C.

Anonymous
Step 4: Moral Inventory

Tonight my husband was watching The Lion King and it brought back some memories for me about the fourth step. Sometimes we get inspired while watching movies and they have some type of meaning behind them. Well, for me this movie brought back the hint about facing my past and doing something about it.

I actually did my fourth step inventory back in December of last year, but I wasn't expecting to feel the emotional benefits from it until recently. For so many years, I had run away from my problem or blamed others for my faults.

I felt like little Simba at the beginning of the movie lost and confused due to being in foster care for so many years. Banished from my own home! Or so I thought. Towards the end of the movie, Simba realizes that he must decide what course of action he is going to take for the future and for his pride. Once I accepted this stark fact tonight it hit me like a bomerang. I felt just like that.

So its not surprising to me that whether from a movie such as this or sharing with another alcoholic, I find such inspiration and courage to live life free by remembering to take responsibility for my recovery. Hope this helps.

Patty B

Anonymous
self-examination

I really enjoyed your post. I too have just recently found this forum. I think it's a great opportunity for 12th step work. I can see from your post that you also practice self-examination as desctribed in step 4. I am still amazed how much I learn and grow by practiceing self-examination, meditaion, and prayer as laid out in pgs 84-88 in the BB.
Instead of living each day as I did the last, this program has given my specific directions on how to consistantly grow.
Thanks again for your post,
CU

Anonymous
Staying Sober

We relaspe when we take our eyes off GOD and the tool he gave us to stay sober

Anonymous
RE: Staying Sober

Glad you said that " We relapse when we take our eyes off GOD and the tool he gave us to stay sober " I love A.A for allowing me to make my God what ever I want that's the only reason why i now have a sponsor.

Anonymous
Staying Sober

We relapse when we take that next first alcoholic drink. I
don't believe many of us are always spiritually fit. I have
heard AA members say "I may as well have been drunk". That
is simply not true. I am convinced that dry is better than wet. AA is described as a spiritual fellowship. I understand spiritual things to be honesty, purity, unselfishness and love. We strive for progress in these
things, head for perfection, and some of us hurry. Rose

Anonymous
Re: Rose's Staying Sober Post

Wow, Rose - that was an excellent post - I really enjoyed that. Wonderfully written, thanks...

Anonymous
staying sober

staying sober is not easy. There are days when I would like to go out drinking. I have 9 years soberiety.

Anonymous
Stressed out

I have days like that myself. I have three month sober. I wish that i could say that i'm loving it, but to be truthful, i'm not. I feel damned if i do and damned if i don't. And today has been one of those days, i just feel like getting drunk.

Anonymous
RE: staying sober

For a real alcoholic drinking is not easy !!!!!

Anonymous
Not Easy

Not easy and not cheap! Manny Q.

Anonymous
RE: Staying Sober

Please say what you do on those days that you want to go out drinking.
Something must be working for you even if it isn't easy as you do have 9 years.

Ray C.

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Re: Staying Sober

Ray asks, "Please say what you do on those days that you want to go out drinking.
Something must be working for you even if it isn't easy as you do have 9 years."
Speaking only for myself, it's definitely not easy, but simple.
In October, 1971, with 31/2 months 'sober' (read dry) I found myself a Loner with no AA contact except long distance telephone (no cell phones or computers back then). I was told that if I used my Big Book and a Higher Power I'd be all right. Notice, it was suggested I use the Big Book, not read it or study it. I didn't take long to get to Chapter 5, where the actual recover program is laid out and I began working on the Steps.
There are two chapters on page 86 which tell me what to do every morning and every night.
I've been following those two suggestions on a fairly regular basis ever since and can say with all honesty that I can count on one hand the number of times I've had a craving for a drink. Do I ever think of drinking? Most certainly! But page 85 tells me that if I stay in fit spiritual condition I ".... will react sanely and normally."
I will never be cured of this illness, but now the only people who know I'm an alcoholic are the ones I tell.

Anonymous
31/2

I assume you mean 3 1/2 months sober. What a message!
You HAVE been sober all this time. What a testimony for
the power of Alcoholics Anonymous and the Big Book! So
you are sober over four decades.
I love that last sentence: "I will never be cured of this illness, but now the only people who know I'm an alcoholic are the ones I tell." ANONYMOUS

Anonymous
Nice Post, Rose

I really enjoyed what you had to say on this, Rose - excellent share!

Anonymous
Going in a big circle

21 years ago I realized I had a drinking problem after going to a 28 program { intervention} I started drinking again. Strange they said I had a 90% chance of success!
2 weeks. After 4 months I decided I wanted to quit. Entered another 28 day program after 3 weeks signout of unit against doctor advice. I felt I recieved all I neede from them. Gave me a 5% chance to stay sober. Stayed sober for 10 years with no slips.10 years ago went to Paris and wanted to have wine with meals, well here I am 10 years later and drinking every afternoon again { 6 beers instead of 2 pints of whiskey in 2 hours like before. Anyway plan on attending a meeting today but concerned. With my sobriety last time when I attended meetings it only gave me the desire to drink after hearing the stories of others, so stopped going and kept my sobriety. I know this makes no sense but that's how it was. So not sure if I should go to the meetings or just try and do it on my own like before.
I know it was only because of God helping me that I stopped last time. Just confused and not sure how to approach this.
Anyone had my experience and if so any insight. Thanks alot. Rick Calif.

Anonymous
I lasted 7 months and started

I lasted 7 months and started again

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Hope fot tomorrow

I hated it when my Mother would say " If at first you don't succeed try, try again".
Try again, you may not be at your bottom even yet. Step 1 may not ring true to you yet.
In your infanicy in AA It's not about 7 days or 7 months or 7 years it's about one day at a time and the hope for tomorrow.
Hope is the priceless ingredient for recovery.
This, AA gives, most frequently not in mere words.
Upon the alcoholic's first contact with AA, as he looks around the room
and sees men and women respectively clothed and in their right minds,
enjoying themselves, that flicker of hope begins to burn.
And he says to himself, "If these jokers can do it, I can."
The first need, beyond any other, is hope. Without it, there is nothing.
- Experience, Strength and Hope [Vol. 1], pp. 156-157
Thought to Ponder . . .
If I don't drink today, I have the hope of a tomorrow.'

Anonymous
Hope of a tomorrow

I believe that Alcoholics Anonymous was/is a gift from God
to the alcoholic sufferer and the families and friends of
the alcoholic. But unlike a usual gift, this is one that
we have to ask for. And we may have to ask more than once.
I fought liquor for years and must have asked for help
at least a dozen times. Sometimes I asked; sometimes I
begged. I might get a little relief but I always found
myself drinking again. I finally just gave up, accepting
that I was destined to live the miserable short life of
the alcoholic. But it did not turn out that way. Hope
was born when a co-worker took me to an A.A. meeting. I
woke up the next morning and remembered the meeting the
night before. I had something that I lost somewhere along the way. That was hope.
Again this was a gift that I had to ask for. The one
stipulation was that I must pass this gift on to other
alcoholics who may not know there is a way out. And
there is a special method that allows me to do this.
I pass this message to the next alcoholic sufferer
by sharing with them exactly what happened to me. I must do this with humility and gratitude. I tell them this is how I
stay sober, by telling them what happened to me. I thank
them for listening to me and helping me to maintain
my own sobriety. If the new prospect shows interest I
offer him/her a copy of the book Alcoholics Anonymous,
preferably a third edition. I suggest that they read
some of the stories in the back of the book. They may be able to identify with the writers of the stories. I am
available to answer any questions they may have to the
extent of my own experience. I believe the book will
answer most questions they may have. I believe that I
could lose this gift if I keep it for myself. But that
is not the reason I keep giving it away in whatever way
I can. There is no reward greater than to see a
suffering alcoholic get well. ANONYMOUS

Anonymous
RE: "I lasted 7 months and started again"

I hope you come back and get sober. I don't think it is about "lasting". Can I ask if you read the book, went to a meeting every day, did your prayer and meditation every morning, asked someone to sponsor you and talked to another alcoholic every day? I can assure you this AA program can and does work for anyone. If I can put the plug in the jug anyone can! Please come back and try the things I mentioned and post again and let me know how you are doing. I care about you!!

Ray C.

Anonymous
started drinking again

Is it possible that she/he stopped going to meetings
because the "suggestions" you listed were crammed down
his/her throat. You forgot "Find God and find Him Now!
ANONYMOUS

Anonymous
RE: Started Drinking Again

This is the AA program. If you are in it and serious about working the AA program to get sober these are the things we did, if you want what we have you can try them and maybe they will work for you too! It is more likely the person left because of negativity to the program oozed out by folks who have some type of resentment to the program and don't know how to handle it. I spent some time on the web site for another recovery program and the negativity to AA was overwhelming! The only thing that surprised me was that some AA's wasted their time rebuting this other program! If you don't like AA it doesn't mattter to me I hope you find happiness in whatever you endeaver. My question is if the things I mentioned are not the program of AA than what is? Doing these things worked for me and that is how I know to get sober and that is what I pass on. It continues to work for me today and I am not going to mess with it. If it doesn't work for you I hope you find something that does!

Ray C.

Anonymous
Negativity to AA

Don't you consider this negative image of AA by the general public cause for alarm? Viewing with alarm for
the good of our fellowship doesn't always make one a
bleeding deacon. There was a time in our history when
our reputation was considered better than our actual
character. Practically everyone on earth has heard of
Alcoholics Anonymous. What they have heard about AA
prevents alcoholics from approaching us in many cases.
(my opinion). And what they have heard about AA is
true. We make a spectacle of newcomers and alcoholics
who are returning. We practically force others to
pray with us. Even if they are convinced to attend
an AA meeting, when they hear what is requred of
them they are pushed away.
What is our recovery rate? For anyone who doesn't
know, we gained a pitiful 15,000 new members in the
entire year of 2010. (approximate number) With 60,000
groups, that averages an increase of one group out
of four gaining one new member. Something is horrible
wrong. The blunders we have made are posted on I-SAY.
ANONYMOUS

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Negativity to AA

" I spent some time on the web site for another recovery program and the negativity to AA was overwhelming!"
"Don't you consider this negative image of AA by the general public cause for alarm?"
The author quoted first said nothing about negativity by the general public, but by those who posted to another recovery program. The author of the second quote is himself a good example of what is horribly wrong, a negative image of AA by someone calling himself a member of AA.

Anonymous
Negativity

Weren't those who posted to another recovery program
part of the general public? Why would anyone say anything
negative about A.A.? I think it is because of our dismal
success record over the past twenty years. We are failing
suffering alcoholics plus their families and friends. We
have the method to help them, but the technique has been
so distorted that most A.A. members today don't even
know what it is. We must stop telling alcoholics what to
do. If we simply share our own experience, strength and
hope, how can we go wrong. Tell them what we did, and
what happened to us. Make sure your own spiritual house is in order. Let the new person decide if they want what we
have, without any prodding or pushing from us. If they
want what we have they can do what we did. We don't need
to tell them they must do so. Let them decide. If we are
sober and they can see that we are living a good life,
how can they resist. But if we say: this is what you
must do, ARE YOU READY?, we spoil the chances of them
wanting to join us. We must stop making these demands,
disguised as "suggestions".
Have I made myself perfectly clear? About as clear
as mud or mule muffins? ANONYMOUS

Anonymous
RE experience strength and hope

For clarification to your point, could you please share your experience,strength, and hope so I can take it or leave it.

Again, Please post how you achieved sobriety, and how you would help me if I asked you to show me how to get sober.

Thanks, Corey

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Primary purpose

I went to my regular men's morning meeting yesterday. I heard the usual inspirations. I bought flowers on the way home for my significant other, as usual. I wrote two letters to my sons, very unusual. Then we went to a tavern and I had soda water with grenandine, and she had glasses of wine. I got to talking, trying to convince myself that I belonged. On the way home I got agitated. I couldn't sleep. I read an article in the Grapevine. It said something similar to what I heard from a one on one talk I had after the men's meeting. The subject was how alcoholics are physically different from others. When I left that meeting earlier, I was aware that in moments of stress I used to drink to feel better. I didn't have the urge to drink, but I could remember how I used alcohol to feel better. It was what I went to to escape into that spiritual dimension. I just wanted to share that.

How you can use these thoughts would be like this. Go to a meeting, share what you read in the bigbook that day. Then, after the meeting talk to one of the people there. Act interested in what they have to say. Share something that you have on your mind, no matter how off the wall it seems.

Being stuck in self doesn't work for me. And these spiritual tools help us simulate the good feeling we used to get from drinking.

That is it. I hope I get to sleep tonight. I must remember that it is how I respond to what happens to me that is important. That is something I can learn to control. My thoughts and my actions.

Anonymous
Big circle, me, too.

I had a similar experience from an AA meeting a couple of years ago. I was all psyched up about being sober and went in and heard a bunch of people talk about helplessness and others laugh and joke about their drinking days and when I left I was so dissappointed, I felt that there was no place for me to go for the moral support that I needed. I didn't want to feel helpless, I want to feel empowered. I don't find anything funny about some of the things that have happened in my life as a result of drinking.
I've since attended other meetings but I try to keep an open mind about it and just enjoy the company of others with the same problem as me because on some level they understand me. I attend several different groups some big some small. I have met some people who are successful in their sobriety and that gives me hope.
I also would like to just have wine with dinner in Paris without it sabotaging my sobriety or a Bloody Mary just at the beach, but so far that has not been my track record. I just don't want to drink everyday ever again and total abstinence seems to be the only way to guarantee that for me.
I don't know how helpful this is but I know that you don't have to go through it alone.
One thing that really blows my mind is how many people are affected by alcohol. I always see new faces in AA meetings.
I have some phone lists and talk to a few people outside of meetings.
I wish you success, if there were more I could offer to help you I would. You've quit before, you know how to do it or how to let God do it. Just set your mind to it again and do it.
Take care. Alicia in Ala.

Anonymous
I've quit so many times to

I've quit so many times to just end up back drinking, I know I can't do it like normal people. I hate it . I do want to stop but the cry me a river mind I have makes it hard

Anonymous
re-slipper

Only one way to stop drinking is to,stop drinking! The first drop always got me drunk. I don't what cry me a river means.Alkys don't react to booze like other folks. We have a physical compulsion to drink more, the book talks about an allergy that I have.

Anonymous
RE: re-slipper

To quit drinking it takes a H.P like police, Spouse, sponsor etc, but to really stop it takes an abandonment only to God !!

Anonymous
So many times

Get away from liquor. Don't go near it or anyone drinking it. Can you take a drink and stop after one or two? If not
you are probably an alcoholic. The physical craving leaves
after a few weeks. But it always returns if we introduce
the body to alcohol again. I probably don't have to tell you that. By now, you know. Don't give up trying. Can you
"go away" somewhere to be separated from liquor one last
time? Give us another chance. Sooner or later we will
get it right. Search and find a meeting where you feel
comfortable. Go to that meeting on a regular basis and
listen. We need you to listen to us. That is how we stay
sober. We learn from you what not to do. You will eventually learn what TO DO by listening to what we did.
It is really that simple. Go slow, day by day, and give
yourself a break. Many of us have been where you are now.
We are sober today. You can be too. ANONYMOUS

Anonymous
RE: I've quit so many times

If you want to quit that is the best start you can make. I honestly feel I had to take every drink I took to get into AA and get sober. The unfortunate part is many of us are in a race--get sober or die---which will come first. You may be a person who has to let their bottom come up and hit you!
Have you honestly tried everything that was suggested to you or were you lacking??
Read the Big Book, go to a meeting every day, prayer and meditation, work with a sponsor, work the 12 steps, talk to another alcoholic every day! If you want to be sober you will keep trying and the miracle will happen for you! We need you so don't give up on yourself!

Ray C.

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