Burning Desire to Share

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Anonymous
Most of the time? Honest?

I picked up again because I Honestly didn't believe that I was an alcoholic, even though I was spouting the words; Hi, I'm Tom and I'm an alcoholic. I didn't understand that for me, powerless was a mental twist that would cause me to make the wrong decision at just the right time. I couldn't be honest with myself. I should have called someone?

Anonymous
Collapse Fear

From a recent post a member shared, “We almost collapsed in 1992/1993.” I would take that as you feel AA had a Golden Age once which connected well with a specific culture of believers, but has devolved in some way? Do you feel although we served a purpose and did a tremendous amount of good, inevitably we have failed to connect with the current cultural mindsets of the majority of alcoholics entering the rooms today? It’s true the originators were men from a different era whose philosophies and imaginations were influenced by the manufacturers of social types and philosophies of their time. Society has changed since the early days and the scientific community has brought about new revelations in addiction biochemistry but the philosophy behind AA is solid. I believe it’s the political infighting within groups harming the image of AA and not the integrity of the people that serve the various positions in AA who I admire and respect very much. From my observations, it’s the way we conduct our meetings and our self-righteous behaviors that has to change. When groups try to control the pulpit and over-structure the AA meeting while dictating to newcomer’s rigid formulas and threats of relapse we fail Bill and Bob. An AA group ought to provide HOPE and not threats. Our group decided to take down the banners and slogans and we do not celebrate anniversaries because we feel all of this makes us look cultist and the newcomer entering the rooms already thinks we are so why reinforce their misconceptions. We simply open the discussion meeting with a few things. We read the Preamble and then give the mention to silence the cell phones. We ask people to share their experience, strength, and hope as it applies to the topic. For example, relapse, withdrawal, love, unselfishness and tolerance are all topics which have been brought up recently. The chairperson is responsible for the topic relevant to their week. We do have a literature and book table with all the important information available. We are certainly grateful for the old way but, reading books and literature can be done at home if one desires to read and study. Finally, let’s say your fear comes true and AA collapses. Do you think members will start drinking again all of a sudden? No, we will regroup and rebuild because the founders initially laid down a pretty strong foundation for us.

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Traditions

Though the word is not printed in the Twelve Traditions, if you look them over carefully you will realize that practicing the principle of the Traditions practically forces one to be more humble. Humility is the word I find carefully woven into each of the Traditions. Many old timers (which I am) don’t care to discuss the Traditions because is forces them/us to move over and let others who are newer take over. The 11th Concept mentions rotation of leadership. Some egos don’t want to let go and move over.

Anonymous
collapse fear

I get what you are saying I just don't understand why not have an anniversary party or a speaker for founders day, our group enjoys such celebrations and so do the newcomers they love to be a part of it, and if they don't they don't have to participate or show up!

Anonymous
Fear of collapse

Read with interest your comment and appreciate faith in the principles established. I am forever grateful for the experiece hope and strength many passed on to me that saved my life. We all have different ideas I think that's why Dr Bob and Wilson left of a phrase that love and tolerance is our code. And it is not easy to practice but I have to if I want to pass on what I freely received.

slr708
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Slip

6 and one-half years sober…then I went on a cruise this summer and had 1/2 glass of champagne….according to AA: Do I really have to start over counting?

knottlmk
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Slips

Hi there; a great question:

When approached by others with whom I have worked I ask them to reflect on the following questions:

1) What are you gaining by continuing the count? How does this help your emotional and physical sobriety?

2) How might it hurt you to keep your original sobriety b-day when you know you drank?

3) Do you believe to have lost your sobriety you needed to get inebriated during the incident or drink a certain amount or a certain number of times? Does that sound like a slippery slope to you?

Only you can answer these questions but it will help you decide for yourself what the right thing is.

and a couple tips:

Remember, that it's about quality not quantity; that we are here to support you not judge you. When I got here I accepted it's not a moral issue, Not just for me me but for you too. I hope this is true for you too in your heart.

There is a reason we call this a 24 hour program. We strive for physical and emotional sobriety one day at a time and understand that we are not cured of alcoholism; we have a daily reprieve but we have to do the spiritual work.

My concern for you is that this desire to maintain your sobriety birthday springs from feeling the need to "keep an elevated status" of a veteran (I hate the world old timer as I get on in age lol) in the fellowship - if this is true then it along with your slip could indicate a resurgence of ego/self that only a power greater than yourself can remove. There is an opportunity for deep and heart-felt surrender to HP in this slip I would hate to see you robbed of.

My wish for you is that you believe your "position" right here right now in the fellowship is perfect regardless of what the sobriety calendar says. We are all fellows among fellows; no gurus, no "senior staff".

I may have passed along more spiritual work for you than a firm answer as I don't think AA has a rule about counting days - I hope this helps and that you are at peace.

Anonymous
r u kidding

Taking just a sip is a slip - this id ssomething to be discussed with your sponsor

Anonymous
Slip

That's up to you. I think sobriety is about staying sober "one day at a time" regardless of how long you've been sober. Maybe you got the non-alcohol type champagne if you stopped at half a glass -Ha! You didn't say if you suddenly felt a greater craving for alcohol after the 1/2 glass, maybe your higher power saved you from yourself. I know that I need to stay away from a sip because I think I would continue sipping until I was chugging. I've had flaming greek cheese in early sobriety that had a fair amount of alcohol on top that had not burned off and as soon as I ate the cheese a flash came through my mind to go out to the bar and order a Heineken. I went into the bathroom and asked my higher power for help and did not go back out. God Bless

Anonymous
sir708

yes its an honest program, but you know you had 6 years under your belt, use it to your advantage, like in your story you can help others not to go down that same road or not to beat themselves up when they slip I think you can do good things with that!

jumpinjim
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Yep. Do you really want to go there? It's a game we've played

before getting sober. Dishonesty will kick our butts. You ain't the only one.

Anonymous
That's a question for you to

That's a question for you to answer... I think by you asking the question, you know the answer...

lb2013
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Slip

As an alcoholic, I know that alcohol is poison to me. I may as well drink Drano.The sanity that was returned to me in the steps of AA was the ability to see very clearly the relationship between my hand and the hot stove and to not think this time I won't get burned. What would concern me greatly is to find that I'd lost that level of sanity and thought I could safely take a drink. That would open a pandora's box of horrors for me.

As for counting. That would be between me and my wife, my sponsor, my close AA friends, my home group and, most importantly,my self and my Higher Power. I have accidentally taken a sip of the wrong drink. My immediate instinct is to spit it out which I do as quickly and discreetly as possible. No reset there. Knowingly drinking alcohol would be a break in my sobriety and I would consider myself in serious danger.

Hang in there and keep coming back. All any of us really have is today and today is good if I can be open and honest with myself, my fellows & my HP.

Anonymous
SLIP OR NO SLIP

AA Is a program of honesty. It is based on what you feel in your heart. You never lose the sober time that you have earned in AA. You have received tools to live a sober life. You have received the knowledge from the rooms of AA. Move on with your sober life and the Spiritual foundation that you have earned and don't worry about the petty misshaps of a single moment. God Bless Stay Safe and learn from your experence.
Love and Service Ron M. 24 years.

Anonymous
Slip

My first sponsor said "You slip on a bannana peel" I will share with you that I had 25+ years of "sobriety" but was using and abusing perscription drugs of the opiate nature (vicodin,oxycontin and the like which are now discribed as synthetic heroin). I changed my sobriety date to coincide with my stopage of taking these drugs, and now have 13+ years(clean & Sober). I believe that what I really have is today, and that's what counts. I can't and won't give you advice, but you can figure it out if you are truley honest with yourself....

Anonymous

cebcocon
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slip

Hi Anonymous,

Thank you for sharing that. I too, have been abusing prescription drugs and have had many years of sobriety. It is bad place to be in. I think I need detox to get off the drugs now. I am really afraid. I have no desire to drink, but the thought of starting over is overwhelming. I pray for the willingness to do it.

Anonymous
re-Mr. Slippery

You were 6.5 years sober and had to ask a question like that? It appears you were physically sober only and soliciting an answer from this site seems ridiculous to me. You relapsed long before you picked up that drink. Now that I’ve shamed you, people do relapse in AA. That’s what we do. Why the person on your left has thirty years sobriety and the person on your right has become a “wet” brain from chronic relapse no one really knows. There are theories out there in the rooms and battles to what theories are correct. My suggestion would be to see a mental health professional and get honest with them because apparently you have not been too honest with yourself as of lately although you did reach out to this site which is a wonderful start. Please, do not minimalize drinking champagne. Think, Think, Think and for what it's worth; for many years I was the “I” that God didn’t grace.

Anonymous
Slip

Everything you learned in your 6 1/2 years sober you haven't lost, right? If you improved your life and worked on your character defects, you still improved your life, did you not? One drink is not going to take that away.

If I had to criticize AA for one thing, it would be for this counting of sobriety time. When people slip they feel like they've lost status in the rooms. But I've met people with multiple years of sobriety who are awful people, and I've met people with only brief periods of sobriety who are happily and usefully whole. All any of us has is today.
Just my opinion.

fernachon1
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Good

Good answer.

Anonymous
Is AA broken?...Works great in my neighborhood

Is AA broken? Works fine in my neighborhood. It’s fashionable and sexy today to say everything is broken. So why not say AA is broken too? Well, it’s not; it’s just different. I got sober in 83. People change, meeting format styles change and even the spiritual and trendy gobbledygook changes. I’m not sure when this broken stuff started but, it’s been around a long time but, AA has been around longer. If I could add one thing to this recent discussion it would be that members should stop bringing into AA the political zeitgeist influences of our times and focus on the commonalities we share in the rooms. We should stick to what the Preamble has laid out for us. If AA fails it’s because people are too busy defending their egos. It’s spiritual tyranny to control what the righteous and true AA meeting or recovery style looks like; anyway it’s against everything our founders believed in. We are united by a common problem and purpose. These ambitions are supported by our individual recovery solutions which in many cases will look much different than the person sitting next to us whose resolutions for alcoholism might appear restrictive or flaky. It the person across the table sounds different, think of their good points and relax. You probably seem like a weirdo to them in return. Meditate on diversity and you will know a new freedom and happiness.

rward
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AA Decline

Maybe like Tobacco ADDs "Its works " more people are being Educated about Alcohol.

rward
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Attack on your Share

I was in a meeting just yesterday and I shared about what was going to keep me from that FIRST drink again and someone opening attacked my comment
I brushed it off at the time at a stupid remark form a stupid person, but after sleeping on it Iam pissed off.

lb2013
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Attack

One of the many things I love about AA meetings is that we encourage people to share their experience; not their opinions. I can't really argue with another's experience. It is what it is.

I also like that we discourage crosstalk or commenting directly at group level on what another person shares. This gives people the freedom to share honestly and openly. I've seen crosstalk kill meetings and run folks out of AA.

Over the years, members have approached me after a meeting to express concern or give me guidance over what I'd shared. Sometimes this stings a bit. But every time, I realized they were right and that it took a lot of love and courage for them to approach me. In two particular instances, they may have saved my life.

Anonymous
Attack on your Share

rward, Better to be pissed off than to be pissed on.
There are a lot of stupid people in AA today. "They seem
to have been born that way". Personally, I am trying to
develop enough humility not to be "vexed" by the
behavior of others. I borrowed "vexed" from a plaque which
Dr. Bob kept on his desk. It is a wonderful definition
of humility. I am still searching for more of that
precious ingredient for happy sobriety. ANONYMOUS

Anonymous
Re attack on your share

Not everyone is going to agree or like what we say, it is like this everywhere you go. People judge opinions, comments, life experiences etc. it is not important on what they think or what they believe we should do. What is important is listening and taking what we like, apply it to our life and leave the rest. It is hard at times I know it is to let go of these people, but their only going to rob you of serenity and gain free rent space in your head. If you let this continue to piss you off, where is there room for peace of mind? Your cup is overflowing and therefore you don't have space to put good in it. Empty your cup first, and you will gain wisdom. I am currently battling something similar to that only in my professional life. I am being persecuted by someone at work. It's obvious someone who wastes their time trying to ruin me, is obviously ruined themselves. I ask my higher power to empty my cup everyday to see past all this garbage. In the end I learn I am no better than that person, and it is not for me to judge them, nor should I think of them. Principals before personalities.

Anonymous

Anonymous
Addicted to a buzz

Question why is it I can walk away from my 29 year drinking career yet when access to a pill pops up I don't think twice about popping it? I know it's harmful to me, but the buzz which once was given from the golden hops I loved so much is off limits I seem to have moved to other harmful vises.
Please explain if you can why we must disconnect.
I am going to see my brothers tonight in a meeting and ask this very question.
I just re set my counter again not my booze counter, I've been good at staying a way from that! I've re set my buzz counter.
Am I the only one who looks at this addiction to a buzz as all being basically same?
Question do I need to be in AA an NA? I've been dry for 3.5 years but I was crutching with narcotics. Surely I'm not the only one out there
In just done letting my god down, letting my self down and letting my family down.

Anonymous
Buzz

There is a lot of info out there about alcoholism & addiction. Without going there, I'll just say that alcohol was my primary problem and in my program of AA, all mind altering chems are off limits. Recovery in AA was about learning how to live sober & free.

That said, recovery for me was like peeling an onion. There were problems & issues I could not be aware of until I removed the chemicals and worked the steps. AA gave me the tools and freedom to explore all of it - food, sugar, tobacco, sex, exercise....whatever...and to build a balanced and healthy life.

AA is the solid foundation upon which my life is built but I am free to add on to and remodel the life that is built on that foundation through counseling, therapy, other 12 step programs, religion, yoga, meditation or whatever is needed and works.

Anonymous
All of them na aa ma ca cma

All of them na aa ma ca cma all have the same message ur definitely not a disappointment to god

Anonymous
Re-addcited to buzz hang in there

Alcoholics/Addicts have difficult brain chemistry. That’s why very few of us stay sober and for many of us one time or another we also have had to struggle with other addictions. Whether it nicotine, caffeine, food, sex, sugar, gambling to just about anything; by using these others things we compromise our recoveries. The founders struggled too, so it is not a new development. Our wiring's are damaged and the buzz makes us feel normal or at least numb. After a few years in AA I quit nicotine, but soon discovered certain foods could change my mood and I became overweight. I went on a diet and lost the weight but started jogging. Sure enough I found I was getting an endorphin buzz and started to run marathons while damaging my joints at the same time. After the doctor warned me to stop for a while, I started pressuring my wife for sex 24/7. Of course, she got annoyed so then I found that diet colas calmed me and I started to drink a case a day and so on.
Finally, I realized I wasn’t getting any better by going to meetings alone. No god or book was returning me to sanity. Eventually, I saw a medical doctor. After being diagnosed with PTSD I began to deal with the problems which were causing me to split out into all these other negative activities. Today, I can enjoy meetings and my mind is more stable and I don’t rely on a buzz. I have learned to deal with the PTSD without trying to medicate the pain away with all the other things. Whether you attend this meeting or that meeting who is to say which is better for you? I’d see a medical doctor or psychiatrist first…and for once in a life demonstrate fearless honesty! You are on the right track by reaching out!

Anonymous
"How It Works"

I recently heard an AA member state at a meeting: "Honesty without compassion is brutality".
Reading HIW aloud at AA meetings is brutal to newcomers. "What an order! Let me out of here".
Of course they don't say that. They just don't come back, although that is the last advice
we chant: "Keep Coming Back".
We need to offer the Truth with an equal serving of Grace. Anyone ever wonder why Bill W.
waited until Chapter Five to write How it Works in the Big Book? He concealed the Truth in
Chapter Five, trusting that our prospect will read the first four chapters to build up
some faith. By that time hopefully they will be able to handle the truth, or at least
consider it. ANONYMOUS

Anonymous
Do you suppose?

Do you suppose newcomers might be put off by all the bleeding deacons hanging around feeling sorry for themselves because AA isn’t the good old AA they think they remember when coffee was a dime? No, AA isn’t the same, nor is General Motors, telephone party lines or Hostess Twinkies. Looks like AA is going to need members with a lot of ink, facial hardware and Big Books on their phones for a new crop of alcoholics to relate to. We dinosaurs are limited with what we can do for newcomers. Spreading gloom and doom isn’t part of it.

I had the good fortune of taking Philosophy 201 – Logic, decades ago and it’s lessons stuck with me better than courses in my major of engineering. Such as the argument; A happened then B happened therefore A caused B. Sometimes it sounds logical but it falls apart under scrutiny. For example Bill went to the bar on Wednesday and had a wreck on the way home therefore Bill shouldn’t drive on Wednesdays. All of your arguments fit this category. You don’t have the information available to conclude that one thing caused the other. You are simply complaining about something you don’t like and trying to hide it behind a smokescreen.

For those of you that are unfamiliar with AA’s service structure there are thousands of AA members active in trying to make AA as good as it can be. Some of us are grateful for their hard work and think they are doing great. Ask your group’s GSR about it. No, I’m not blowing my own horn. I served a hitch as GSR and then stepped aside to let someone else improve their sobriety, appreciation and knowledge of AA.

Anonymous
Reflections on the Big Book

Bill and Bob wrote “Our book is meant to be a suggestion only; we admit we know only a little. God will constantly disclose more to you and us” in Chapter 11 titled “A Vision for You” Wow! The founders demonstrated the importance of humility by being honest enough to admit they did not know very much and the only thing they could think of at the time was salvation through God. That point of view was typical for the period so we can’t hold it against them. Today in AA we have expanded that vision significantly even to the point where for some members a “personal” god is not necessary to acquire sobriety and a spiritual state of mind. To me, the founders designed AA to be a growing changing collection of ideas. It’ clear to them that AA should never be a fixed perfect entity; never to be changed, added to or corrected. AA has improved tremendously over the years and the founders would be happy with the direction it has taken. That’s why subtle changes had been made to the Big Book. Although it is a wonderful collection of ideas and a helpful record of the earlier times, they recognized it was an fallible because they were too. In my recovery, the book was a helpful beginning level tool which provided temporary comfort from the chaos of my active alcoholic frame of mind. I am grateful it was suggested, however, it’s not something I read today because eventually the “more will be revealed” part happened and not so much by a “god in heaven” but by my own inner drive to seek spiritual truth, goodness and love. It’s often heard “Faith without Works is Dead” in the rooms. I found I did not need a "faith" but the "works" part I embrace one day at a time.

Anonymous
RE: Refections on the Big Book

I have often wondered if the moderators of this forum
responded to my messages. I suppose there is nothing
to prevent them from doing so. IMO, I think they ought
to just evaluate the message and decide if it is
acceptable to post. If is not acceptable to the
moderator, then it is just deleted.(like this one will be).
On Mon 2014-08-25 you posted a submission from me
at 10:37 AM. Before you posted my message, you posted
your own opinion (rebuttal): Mon. 2014-08-25 10:33 AM.
"More will be revealed". I have developed a much
clearer understanding of that phrase, and of the Big
Book. Much more has been revealed. Bill spent the rest
of his life (well, most of it) further explaining the
contents of the Big Book. The books AACA, LOTH and
ABSI contain this information.

clu1992
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re reflections

AA estimated membership:
1939 =100 members
1982 =1 million members
1992 =2.5 million members
2014 =2.1 million members and 1.4 million members in the us and canada. If we know so much more today, why has AA membership been declining the last 22 years?

cebcocon
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re reflections

I can tell you why. In 1992, Insurance companies would pay for alcoholics to go to treatment and more than 1 time! They would learn about AA.

Now, insurance covers nothing. Alcoholics and Addicts are left on their own. They may get detoxed, but they are not getting the treatment that led them to AA and long-term sobriety.

Anonymous
re-reflections-to answer you question

You asserted, “If we know so much more today, why has AA been declining the last 22 years?” That’s just awful science. Lower attendance numbers are not proof to support your erroneous claim that people in AA know less today and that we are in a state of decline. Lower attendance numbers indicate that there could be causal variables present which need to be studied in a proper way. A temporary trend that indicates a lower membership number does not in no way reflect the quality, value and strength of our fellowship. I could list twenty reasons off the top of my head why AA numbers have changed and none of them have anything to do with your idea that we know less. “Think, Think, Think”… and I should add intelligently.

clu1992
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re bad science

1992 worldwide population=5.5 billion
2014 worldwide population=7 billion

27% increase in world population from 1992 to 2014

AA 19% decrease since 1992 bad science or glaring defects in what AA has become?

Anonymous
re its just bad science

World population increase has nothing to do with alcoholism or Fellowship decline. The math there is ridiculous. There has been a decline in cigarette smoking too as well as, various other diseases. It’s a positive sign to me. Personally, lower numbers in AA reflect a healthier society. Less people are entering the rooms. We should not fudge number to satisfy our egos. Try to exercise a few critical thinking skills on this topic and you will be amazed before you are halfway through. Alcoholism is not the big addiction on the block anymore. The suburbs are full of teen heroin addicts, pot smoking is becoming legalized everywhere and prescription opiate abuse is on the rise. Advocacy groups, Public Health professionals, the criminal justice system and the medical profession have all worked against alcoholism and informing communities of the destructive nature of alcohol. All the people in AA I know have healthy families today because they sobered up. My kids had never seen my drinking. They are aware the biochemistry for addiction is wired in their brains so up to now they have made healthy choices. At one time, AA was the only treatment available for alcoholics outside of institutions and soup and salvation kitchens. Now there are many other treatment modalities available that have equal or if not better success rates. Try and keep an open mind. The numbers don’t add up to your erroneous math and your conclusion is silly. Throw the negative tool out of your tool box; it won’t send you to a better place anytime soon.

Anonymous
re its just bad science

World population increase has nothing to do with alcoholism or Fellowship decline. The math there is ridiculous. There has been a decline in cigarette smoking too as well as, various other diseases. It’s a positive sign to me. Personally, lower numbers in AA reflect a healthier society. Less people are entering the rooms. We should not fudge number to satisfy our egos. Try to exercise a few critical thinking skills on this topic and you will be amazed before you are halfway through. Alcoholism is not the big addiction on the block anymore. The suburbs are full of teen heroin addicts, pot smoking is becoming legalized everywhere and prescription opiate abuse is on the rise. Advocacy groups, Public Health professionals, the criminal justice system and the medical profession have all worked against alcoholism and informing communities of the destructive nature of alcohol. All the people in AA I know have healthy families today because they sobered up. My kids had never seen my drinking. They are aware the biochemistry for addiction is wired in their brains so up to now they have made healthy choices. At one time, AA was the only treatment available for alcoholics outside of institutions and soup and salvation kitchens. Now there are many other treatment modalities available that have equal or if not better success rates. Try and keep an open mind. The numbers don’t add up to your erroneous math and your conclusion is silly. Throw the negative tool out of your tool box; it won’t send you to a better place anytime soon.

Anonymous
RE: re-reflections

Bill told us that we ought to pay close attention to our
critics. Even a little truth should command our attention.
Upon examination if there is absolutely no truth we can
ignore the criticism and move on. Today we do not even
ACKNOWLEDGE
the criticism of us which comes from many directions. I
personally feel that Bill is spinning in his grave when
he sees what has happened to A.A. ANONYMOUS

Anonymous
RE-reflection- AA listens

You paraphrased Bill W saying “AA should pay attention to our critics.” I guess you feel AA has not? I believe AA has done a great job paying attention to its critics. How could you feel it hasn’t? Who were the original critics? To take a guess at it; it was probably the agnostics and atheists. Bill in later writings was grateful for their wisdom. And in most cities you will find agnostic AA meetings. AA has always corrected its original positions by listening to its “fringe” members in every era. Change doesn’t happen exactly the moment we would like it to, but eventually it does. AA has been positively changed by the likes of non-believers, women, minorities, addicts, young people, women, LBGT, members with mental illness, hippies, and punks. AA has taken great strides to listen and to meet the needs of these members. We must not confuse the individual actions and beliefs of close-minded members in the rooms with what the Fellowship of AA stands for. AA has embraced diversity throughout the years but it can’t police every individual or group that practices bigotry. Although certain AA members might be afraid of change, AA has proved it does not share that same fear today.

Anonymous
RE: re reflections

clu 1992: We almost collapsed in 1992/1993. We lost over
half a million members when our General Service Board of
Trustees moved our headquarters into a Rockefeller subsidized building on Riverside Drive. There must have
been fierce resistance to accepting support from the
Rockefellers, in violation of Tradition Seven.
Our lease is up in the near future, but "they" have
already decided that the lease will be renewed, probably
another 25 years.
This is only one of the blunders we have made. We have
made several serious mistakes at the group level. I have
written about several of them (repeatedly). ANONYMOUS

Anonymous
re lease

Rents in Manhattan are too high and its just a difficult city for anything these days. Perhaps its time to move Central Office to another zip code. Do we really need to be in New York City? Why not Texas?

Anonymous
lease

I can't resist doing this...Why not Reno Nevada???

Anonymous
RE: re lease

I have a suggestion. Find a rental in Texas subsidized
by the Rockefeller Foundation and present it to our New
York GSO and General Service Board of Trustees. A rental
in Texas might be cheaper than the building we are in
now, even without financial assistance provided by the
Rockefellers. I still can't believe they moved us into
a subsidized rent, especially after John D. Rockefeller, Jr.
himself, gave us our Tradition of self-support and
refused to give Bill any more money.
The only way we will ever get the attention of our
trusted servants is to cut off their funds. Bill W.
left us Concept Seven as the means to do this.
There must have been fierce resistance by our membership
when we moved into the Riverside building in 1992. Our
fellowship lost over half a million members after that move. ANONYMOUS

Anonymous
re-lease -out source?

Why not outsource GSO and the Central Board of Trustees to India or some other country? Since AA is a worldwide organization anyway does it really have to be in New York City after all? It seems outsourcing is popular these days so why can't we look into it? Things change. Years ago AA was full of chain smokers, today its full of i-phones. Just because the roots of AA were started in New York doesn't mean it is a sacred and holy city.

Anonymous
AA Works and Membership Numbers

Our membership numbers have changed but, that does not mean AA is a failure or in a state of decline; if anything it’s in transition. We are not our grandpa’s AA anymore. The lower numbers to me is a positive indicator that AA works and a sign of a healthier society. Less people are walking through the doors today as less people are smoking too. Lower numbers are a compliment to AA and it demonstrates that the AA philosophy works. Many members acquire enough health to return to society and now lead fulfilling lives outside the rooms and don’t have the need to attend meetings 5-7 times a week. Another key factor that may help explain a lower number is that we had over expanded at one time to accommodate a large post WW2 generation of alcoholics who started walking through the doors in the 70’s. My dad was a Woodstock hippie and I’m taking care of him. He can’t get to meetings anymore because of health issues. I have been to plenty of funerals of guys that saved his life. AA could downsize its meeting availability. In this way the rooms would feel fuller, but then again, it really only takes two people for an AA meeting to occur so big numbers are not necessary for “one drunk to talking another drunk’s language.” It’s not a complicated thing to understand but, after reading many of the posts it seems there is a myth that AA is in decline because of lower numbers and somehow this absolutely proves there is something wrong with us. There are many theories and blame going around supporting these unscientific and self-serving points of view. Part of my recovery was to stop living in “black and white” worlds where someone is always selling a “black and white” answer.

lb2013
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AA Works & Membership

I mentioned this topic to my wife this morning and she also pointed to the baby boomer surge in membership. We are both baby boomers who entered AA during the 80's & early 90's. Though we are getting older and have lost a few friends recently , our home group is still full of folks who sobered up around that time.

Today, our new members trickle in, mostly as the result of legal trouble such as DUI, drugs or both. By trickle, I mean, we see a lot of new people at meetings (many court ordered) but only a few stick with the program.

I don't know if it would make much difference in the numbers if we changed our meeting format. After all, people were reading HIW, holding hands to pray and even smoking like chimneys when my wife and I and the rest of the boomers came in and we stuck around. We were just ready and had run out of options.

lb2013
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Misery in Missouri

During the last two years of my drinking I lived in Spanish Lake, Missouri, just north of Ferguson which has been in the news lately. I brought up a google map to see where Ferguson is in relation to Spanish Lake. What struck me, without going in to the trouble in Ferguson, was how many interesting things are in the area and how I missed them all when I lived there. My sober, inquisitive, healthy AA mind of today saw historical and natural attractions that piqued my interest. This made me wonder what the hell I was doing and what I was like when I lived there. How did I miss it all?

It has been many years, but I think I was just too busy drinking and recovering from drinking to look much beyond the next bar or my apartment where I spent a lot of time being sick. Not only did that lifestyle kill my time, it also killed my mind and my ability to be adventurous and inquisitive.

In sobriety, I began to read a lot and to take an interest in history. Today, I look at a map of that area and think about all of the natural and historical features I'd like to explore. In sobriety, my world and my interests have expanded. This realization gave me one more thing to be grateful for in sobriety. Thanks AA.

jslavens7
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Attraction

I would like to listen.

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